Funny all these words represent the ajectival ending to words ending in "t". Anyway, the fact remains that if you were right about a German "ch" sound, therw ould not be a need to write it "tsch" anywhere. I can't find a country called "Jew" in my 19th century atlas.
I bet his passport said he was German. Please let. Hannibal Lecter, as quoted by Thomas Harris. I certainly concur with that interpretation. Is there any relationship going on here with that weird consonant in Russian which is approximated by the noise in the middle of the English "fish-church"?
Frank E. I bet you are wrong. His travel documents when he needed them have most certainly been issued by Russian authorities. His name? Is this correct? Close, but no cigar.
I'd say there's a stronger "r" sound in the first syllable not faux as in toe, which is how the French pronounce the vowel sound of "au" in faux. I'd say there's a stronger "r" sound in the first syllable. This discussion seems to be going on and on, and both above suggestions are somewhat off the mark.
I posted my own some days ago and won't repeat it, but this what you usually do if you want to know how a foreign surname latin charcters is pronounced: a You make sure you've got the correct spelling diacritcs, umlaut etc.
Good dictionaries can be found in your local book shop or library; there are also some excellent electronic things on the market. Make sure you don't turn to one of the many dubious net ventures. I can only be utterly amazed why this ressource should be called official. I checked the handful of German surnames and can only say, be warned. Not again! There is NO "r" in the first syllable. There is that difficult r-with-a-hook at the beginning of the second syllable.
It is safe and fairly accurate to say "zh". Let me pass the business of how the French pronounce "au". It is quite emphatically not as "oe" in "toe".
Now, the trick with the French phrase is not bad, but if you say "faux Jacques" in good French, you stress the last syllable: wrong. Besides, why not make things even closer by replacing "faux" with "vaut". Alors, on peut dire "DVAUT Jaacques", making sure that the first syllable is stressed and the vowel in the second syllable is long. Bonne chance! Good luck to you too! Stan Szpakowicz, Professor www.
I can only be utterly amazed at your amazement. As for the site being "official," check the dictionary. How can any pronunciation key be "official" in one sense?
Language is, by definition, unofficial anyway. Try legislating language; try catching the wind; try. Oh, well, you get the message. And we're not talking about German names here, or French names or Italian names; we're talking about one name in particular.
The issue is dual: 1. Without necessarily being an expert either in Czech, or even Dvorak, or radio announcements of D's music, clearly the paradigm presented was wrong; and in all my years I NEVER heard D's name enounced to rhyme with "faux. I merely thought I'd refer readers of this newsgroup to a useful webpage in fact, webpages. Your own post has underscored my point: there is no simple solution to pronunciation, as the word "shibboleth" made clear millenia ago.
And, for example, the composer Shchedrin. Other Russian names are often pronounced with the wrong syllable stressed. Borodin and Glazunov should have the stress on the last syllable there's even a guidebook out there giving pronuncation guides for Russian names encountered in classical music, giving the stress for Glazunov as being on the first syllable.
I convinced the author that he was wrong, but many classical radio stations still use it, such as Minnesota Public Radio. Write for free help! Remove "X" from address to reply. As in Olga.
Btw, it would be interesting to see how American techie John Dvorak, pronounces his name. Czajkowski - But that doesn't mean Pyotr's name has to be spelled that way except in Poland How do you write Tchaikowsky in Polish? There is a Polish name Czajkowskij, but that's not where the composer's name originates.
His great-grandfather was an 18th-century Ukrainian Cossack named Fyodor Chaika, who changed his surname to Chaikovskii. I can't claim to answer that question, but I have known two unrelated Americans with the last name Dvorak, and they both pronounced it "DVO-rack", with all the sounds very americanized except perhaps for the "dv", which is not ordinarily encountered by native speakers of English. What about American actress, Ann Dvorak? What's remarkable, looking back, is that the Hollywood moguls didn't force her to change her name!
Apparently the "u" in the given name was too French for American tastes; while, of course, the extra "i" was too confusing: "Larry, take my word for it! Nobody will remember 'Olivier,' because they can't pronounce it. But 'Oliver'! Now that's a name Americans can pronounce! How helpful! Now I've got to retrieve your earlier message if I can. Well, here in the United States, "popular acclaim" leads to certain celebrities being universally known by mispronunciations of their names, anyway. Baseball great no, this is not the "greatest hit" thread Robin Yount's name is mispronounced "Yownt" instead of "Yunt", which is correct according to Yount himself by every sports announcer I've ever heard.
True, that's another angle on the issue. However, this is probably more related to the changing times. Remember the age of Universal Studios esp. But times do change. And I tell you, I sometimes boast of how prescient I am about things; but, to be honest, if a Southern singer named Elvis what? Presley had come to me in the early 50s, the first thing I would have said would have been something like, "Well, I think you've got something there that we can work with, but, for Heaven's sake, before we sign a contract, let's agree on a name for you.
Believe me, nobody is going to remember a name like Elvis Presley! Why not call yourself something like Brick Lee instead? His father actually is Marlon Brando, Sr.
In other words, it is now exotic names that must be made up, not the simpler names! Even recently, I read a newpaper column by a Catholic priest who deplored the expropriation, by Madonna, of the Virgin Mary's title, assuming that Madonna was an assumed, rather than a given, name actually, Madonna was born Madonna Ciccone. And not only a name change I should compare notes with you to see what parts of Slovakia you've been to and which parts you've enjoyed.
I've also been there. Seven times, the most recent just two weeks ago. If you'd like to read some of my travel adventures about Eastern Europe, check out my travel diaries web site, URLs below. But you're wrong about the pronounciation.
I know this. My business contact in Slovakia has the last name of "Dvorak" he's a distant relative of the Czech composer, actually , and I know how it's pronounced.
Now tell us your adventures in using your Slovak to buy a train ticket. Loads of fun, I can tell you; from the train station sales desk clerk's giggles, you'd have thought I was auditioning a stand-up act. Even the radio announcers I don't know where the "zh" sound comes from though How do you spell Tchaikovsky? Reply to author. Report message as abuse. Show original message. Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message.
While researching P. Tchaikovksy thru HotBot I came across several ways to spell his first and middle names. Brett Langston. On 23 Nov GMT, leso David Perkins. Gail Mrozak. Some really insightful posts here, but let me add what little I can. I'm fluent in French and had only one Russian class, but some time ago. David Perkins is probably correct Tch is the way French show the sound that in English we spell ch example, the African country of Chad they spell Tchad.
However, the French don't use ai to equal a long i sound. BTW, I a. Peter H. Jaime Jean. While we are at it, how the heck do you pronounce Dvorak?
I've always heard and pronounced it as something that could sound as "Faux-Jacques" in French. Any Czech speakers around? Russia has many splendid composers, but their language can cause some confusion.
When Russian names are transliterated from Cyrillic letters into Roman letters, many different spellings can result due to the different rules of pronunciation for English, German, French, etc.
Herman Haverkort. Peter Stoll. Margaret Mikulska. Just as a "true". Michael Kagalenko. Lesoscar wrote:. On 27 Nov GMT, leso Dan Koren. On 28 Nov GMT, leso On 28 Nov GMT, d May I respectfully suggest you buy a book on phonetics or at least learn the IPA.
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